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Sep 20, 2004

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Paperwight says Pay Attention, People: So, Eugene Volokh writes a brief navel-gazing meditation on the right wing's use of the phrase "moral relativists" to vilify liberals, and suddenly the more intellectual liberal blogs go into a tizzy of philosophi... [Read More]

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clare

Amen!

Enough already! I LOVE people who love and appreciate thought and language. But - your finely-tuned intellect is not of use in these situations. So what if the rhetoric is bullshit?- they aren't speaking to your finer self anyhow.
Fight fire with (smarter)fire! not critical analysis.

(Weren't any of you ever younger brothers or sisters?)

Gareth

I don't know, Paperweight. The election is important. John Kerry would be very foolish to make a speech saying he is a metaethical expressivist, but not a normative non-cognitivist. So far, I'm with you.

But this election is close (rather than the blowout for Kerry it would be in every other democracy on Planet Earth) for reasons. One of the reasons is that America's public culture is anti-intellectual and hyper-nationalistic, a bit like soccer coverage in other OECD nations. Another reason is that there are a whole lot of people who think that morality is morality because God said so, and he said so in the Bible (literally). And yet a third reason is that America's political left is intellectually confused, with much of it committed to a lazy identity-based relativism and little of it interested in hard-headed social democracy.

The question of how you generate a public morality without relying on divine revelation or inherited tradition is at the heart of liberalism. It's an important one to work out.

paperwight

I agree completely about the importance of generating a consensus of public morality, and do not wish in any way to disparage the project. It is, however, folly of the highest order to take the destructive rhetoric of the movement conservatives as the starting point for any portion of that constructive project. Nothing good can come of that.

Chris

That's what I said! ;)

Nice post. Someday, liberal intellectuals will learn that reasoned arguments never convince conservatives (or most liberals) anyway.

Joseph Marshall

"But there is absolutely nothing to learn about reality or your beliefs from that rhetoric. Nothing."

Balls.

Since you're a "curmugeon", I'm sure you'll appreciate my frankness.

Since you're young you'll have plenty of time to learn that even your ideological "enemies" have human shape and deserve human doubt.

Since you demand fundamental fairness and honesty from yourself, once you have learned that, it will be perfectly clear to you that you learn as much or more about yourself from listening to your adversaries and thinking about what they have to say, as you do from combatting them.

The knife gets sharpest when it is rubbed against the hardest stone.

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