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Comments

Rob

I was looking for a post, can't remember where it is now, that described a disagreement between Cheney and another conservative in the 1970s regarding Watergate. The other conservative believed that Nixon had stepped over the line and gotten caught, but Cheney would have none of it; the entire affair was simply partisan conflict, there were no lines, only us and them.

Maybe it was Josh Marshall. I can't remember.

Luc Courier

It was described in Rolling Stone, The Curse of Dick Cheney, T.D Allman:

"He claimed [Watergate] was just a political ploy by the president's enemies," says Bradley. "Cheney saw politics as a game where you never stop pushing. He said the presidency was like one of those giant medicine balls. If you get ahold of it, what you do is, you keep pushing that ball and you never let the other team push back."

paperwight

For those who may be interested, the URL for that article is:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story?id=6450422

There's also Josh Marshall's Washington Monthly piece, The Post-Modern President:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0309.marshall.html

Shaula Evans

paperwight, I never intended to push you over the edge. :)

Glad you liked the comment. I look forward to seeing where you take these thoughts in further posts.

Shaula Evans

BTW, there's a related article up on BubbleGeneration right now that I thought might interest you: http://www.bubblegeneration.com/2004/09/how-greenpeace-changed-world-forever.cfm

R J Keefe

To say that liberals should take up dirty tricks is like suggesting that fluent, articulate writers make money writing pornography. It sounds easy, but proves almost impossible. To be liberal is in most cases to be incapable of dreaming up dirty tricks, much less perpetrating them.

Post-modern politics is an inevitable byproduct, don't you think, of post-modern journalism? By which I mean that journalism has detached itself from the disciplines of critical thinking that developed it and hooked up with marketing. Journalists keep insisting that stories, e.g., about global warming don't sell. Is that supposed to be the end of the story?

Re-establishing popular confidence in 'truth' and 'falsity' in our free-market world will take a lot of hard work.

R J Keefe

paperwight

RJ - The two points you raise are well taken, and I will be dealing with them, at least in part, in subsequent posts. I apologize for not responding directly in comments.

Jeff Smithpeters

I'm not a liberal. I'm a Leftist. That's probably why I can dream of this dirty trick, which apparently few others are considering right now: the My Pet Goat television ad.

Do I have spell this out for you?

Laurel

your post reminded me strongly of Alisdair MacIntyre's After Virtue, and especially the beginning, where he writes about the modern debasement of moral language (so that "you ought to do this" means "I want you to do this").

paperwight

It's been a while since I read MacIntyre, and it's probably worth another go. I tend toward the Kantian/Gewirthian axis of deontological ethics myself, but that clearly won't help with the task that needs doing.

Thanks.

Osama Been Forgotten

This is simply an extension of the very old game of mapping a "black and white" worldview, versus a real-world composed of subtle shades of grey. It's the flat out denial that there is a political "Centrist" position. It's even a flat out denial that there is a "Traditional Conservative" or paleoconservative position. There is now only the neoconservative position, or everything else, which is framed as "Stalinist" - even on mainstream talk-radio shows.

The upshot of this, is that it does not take a high degree of sophistication on the part of a listener to see through this bullshit. The more widespread this becomes, the more people will begin to seek out other sources of information from other views. There will always be a small subset of individuals who find comfort in the black-and-white worldview - but they choose what has been painted as white, and every day, on closer inspection, find bits of soot, dirt, and grime, on what they wanted so badly to believe was a pure lilly-white field. It requires effort to stay on such a position. Effort to suppress the human conscience.

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