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Jan 25, 2005

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Abby

Amen. Glad to see you take a holiday from your holiday.

John

Good post. The Dems have nothing to lose and everything to gain. 2 or 4 years for now taking a stand on the atrocities of Iraq might be political gold. Not to mention the right thing to do.

DaveB

In a few months or so we will have an image to match those hellicopters on top of the American Embassy in Siagon, except this time it will be in Bagdad.

Soon, we will pull out and the real disaster will begin. Thanks Bush, you really made us um...safer, yeah that's it.

Desert Donkey

Well, round one is down and we have discovered 13 Senators with Spines(SWS?). The others no doubt have their rationalizations, include two women from my home WA state. I am hoping for some good primary challengers. This is no time to be wishy washy ... about Rice, Gonzales, Social Security,...

We need a resistance party, without a doubt.

I am starting to think that Teddy Kennedy may be our only hope. Maybe he is ready to say "Yes I am a liberal. Want to make something of it a**hole."

Kennedy/Dean '08 ?

Brian

The endless floor speeches are the obstructionism, not the voting. I hope they vote(d) as they feel appropriate, but I wish they'd have their endless, old speeches via a press conference.

If Ted Kennedy's the Dem's only hope, then they've no hope at all.

Desert Donkey

Brain, Interesting about the speeches as obstructionism angle. You may be on to something there. If a clear press conference message could be delivered instead, while strongly voting no, then Dems could beat the obstruction rap, and offer real resistance.

By the way, those press clips of Kennedy (and Boxer) over the last week is the reason I made the comment about Kennedy. From where I sit in the inland Northwest he is the only one making pointed comments about these lame appointments. He has the ability to draw attention, and if he is willing to use it as the voice of resistance then I am happy to have him on my team.

paperwight

The Senate has a 200 year tradition of unlimited debate. I might not love it, and you might not love it, but that's what the Senate is about, so the use of that tradition in the service of a good goal is hardly obstructionism, just as a filibuster would not be obstructionist.

It's not as if there's some consensus that one or two people are refusing to go along with. There's one party that is trying to translate a <51% bare majority into complete and permanent control of the levers of power. I also think that getting the objections into the public record is important; and the Senate's legislative record is as good a place as any.

Desert Donkey

paperwight, the need to officially record is certainly important. The obstruction message is one that seems to play well to the uninformed as it is easy to convince them that it is simply 'wasting time'. I would most like to see the procedures used to shine light and bring heat AND see Kennedy (and other Democrats) go in public and succinctly explain why they need to represent the 50%+ of the nation that did not vote for Bush and his henchmen(women).

Brian

Well, a 200 year old tradition of crap is still ... crap. No doubt it's a well-honed tradition. I'm in favor of it ending as soon as possible. I accept that the Dems might not appreciate my point of view at the moment, but when the pendulum inevitably swings, they'll be complaining about the Republicans fillibusters and such.

I'm in line with Desert Donkey. Cut to the chase with a strong, clear message through a means other than wasting my tax dollars on the Senate floor. Well, I can dream anyway ...

As far as Senator Kennedy goes - I may live on the Left Coast, and was born and raised in New England. And I'm no fan of Sen. Kennedy - I find him speaking from a position of moral authority to be the height of hypocrisy.

But either way, it's all over now. Hopefully the Dems will find more strategic items to take a stand on now.

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