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Feb 01, 2005

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Fontana Labs

Nice bit about the futurists.

But surely it's a mark against that speech that you can't read it with a straight face? I mean, the Constitution is pretty big in Republican language, as are Timeles Values and Eternal Verities and all the other things that I secretly like but am accused of hating.

paperwight

Uh, FL, have you listened to many Republican speeches lately? Just because you can't read it with a straight face doesn't mean that a Republican politician can't.

Avedon

And, funnily enough, it does seem they want young people to do it just the way my grandparents did it. They worked through the depression and they were poor. Yet my own parents, who managed to work their way up from poverty, did it while paying into Social Security. They bought houses, and cars, and raised kids who went to good public schools where we learned grammar and everything.

But what they aren't admitting is that what they really want to do is give the baby-boom generation the worst of both worlds - no jobs, no money, no Social Security - but we still get them taking out payroll taxes from our checks every month. Now there's justice.

Ben Jones

Do you think that it would be worth pointing out to Mr Yglesias that Mt Rushmore has been standing there for millennia, just without the faces? At the very least, it might piss him off.

Abby

I am constitutionally incapale of being taken in by all this futurist type talk (though the parallels are eery). I suspect it's because I'm a lot more conservative than a lot of the current crop of Republicans.

I always did prefer the Virgin to the Dyanamo. I know that makes me UnAmerican--kind of ironic, this being a Christian country and all.

paperwight

Abby, I think you're right to not be taken in.

The Futurist Manifesto is a kind of mumbo-jumbo spell chanted in resonance with the repetitive machinery of the 20th century. One might argue to some degree that the Futurists were the Baroque Period of the Moderns, right before Modernism was made ashes in the crematoriums of Auschwitz and Dachau.

I find it ironic that the current American Republicans are so enamored of these modes of thought, while calling themselves "conservative". Near as I can tell at this point, the only way in which the Republican Party is conservative is in desiring to establish and enforce a rigid social hierarchy, sorted roughly by wealth, sex, and sex-preference.

In all other ways they seem to have adopted a pastiche of the worst possible elements of the Modernist and PostModernist approaches to understanding the world.

Desert Donkey

For 'real' language on the issue, Ezra Klein post Evan Bayh getting it right.


http://ezraklein.typepad.com/blog/2005/01/good_show.html

eRobin

But If the GOP strategists are doing any of the stuff you are pointing out (and they are) they aren't doing it because they know about Modernism and Post-Modernism and Futurists. All they know about is the reptile brain theory of advertising. "Shiny things that belong to the future appeal to young people. " "God appeals to minorities who vote." "Nobody likes gays." Those are all reptile thoughts divined in focus groups during which the first full hour of discussion (out of three) is thrown out because the testers aren't interested in what the participants think - they want to know what they believe. I may have missed the point above - I just don't want them to get too much credit for having any integrity of thought when they're just finding the best ways to manipulate us so that their corpofascist agenda can be advanced.

paperwight

eRobin -

I should be more clear. I don't think the Republicans have any particular integrity of thought, at least not along these lines. I raise these examples as a quintessentially conservative point: "See, this has all been done before." Humans have a hard time breaking out of their cycles of behavior, both in the small, everyday sense, and in the larger historical sense, and it's worse when we're following our baser instincts.

The reptile brain is our basest instinct, and it should be no surprise that we follow it to the same ends every time, unless we're very careful. The Republicans are playing the reptile brain game, and whether they know it or not, they are dragging all of us into the same place it takes us every time.

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